#THEDISSIDENT [THE INTERVIEW]

Times Magazine’s interview with Ai Wei Wei in 2011, further paints a clear picture of our stand and insight for #TheDissident.

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Ai in hospital after being abducted.

TIMES: In 1981 you left China with no plans to return, but you came back. Why?

AI WEI WEI: Before, I had seen my father and other people criticized or struggled against, but I was not directly involved. Then you see your generation being crushed. You see that this power has no intention to telling the truth. On the one hand it is ruthless, but on the other hand it is so weak. When you are 20-something years old, you realize the only way to protect your dignity is to leave rather than to be damaged by this big machine. You see in your generation people who are destroyed. So I decided I had to leave. After 12 years in New York, I was 36. I heard a lot about how China was different. My Father was ill. I wanted go back to China and pay my last respects.

You returned in 1993. How is today’s China different from the one you left?

I think two things have changed China. To survive, China had to open up to the west. It could not survive otherwise. This was after many millions have died of hunger in a country that was like North Korea is today. Once we became part of a global competition, we had to agree to some rules. It’s painful, but we had to. Otherwise there was no way to survive. But domestically it’s still the same machine. There’s no judicial process or transparency. The other is the internet. They realized that it was also important to surviving . It’s also related to survival. But to use it, they had to open up. They could not completely censor the information and the knowledge available. These two things completely changed the character of this nation.

In recent years, you have merged the internet with political activist. How did it happen?

I got involved with architecture. To work in architecture you are so much involved with society, with politics, with bureaucrats. It’s a very complicated process to do large projects. You start to see society, how it functions, how it works. Then you have a lot of criticism about how it works. Because of my work in architecture, Sina [a Chinese internet company] asked me to blog. I told them I don’t have a computer. I don’t know how to type. They said “Don’t worry, it’s easy. We can help you set it up.” At the beginning, I started to post my early artworks. I only wrote a few articles. Even though writing is the most admirable skill, I had no chance to become a writer because of my educational background. I hadn’t really studied it except for Chairman Mao’s sentences. So I just started to type. My first blog post was one sentence, something like “To express yourself needs reason.” Later I became very involved in writing. I really enjoyed that moment of writing. People would pass around my sentences. That was a feeling I never had before. It was like a bullet out of a gun.

Your work online became more political, particularly after you lunched your investigation into the shoddily constructed schools that collapsed in the Sichuan earthquake.

They shut off my blog because every day we were posting investigation. I said it was O.K. If the government didn’t want to tell the truth, but citizens should bear the responsibility to act. That is very powerful. We showed the people how we got those [students] names, what were the difficulties [the volunteers] encountered, how many times we had been arrested, how we searched-all the details. I was very sad the moment they shut it off, because there was nothing we could do. And then some guys said, “I opened a mini-blog for you.” It was just one sentence–140 characters. Twitter was a poem. It was rich, real and spontaneous. It really fit my style. In a year and half, I tweeted 60,000 tweets, over 100,000 words. I spent a minimum eight hours a day on it, sometimes 24 hours.

Your detention forced you into silence. What was it it?

First they make sure you know that nothing can protect you, no law can protect you. They gave me the example of Liu Shaoqi [the Chinese head of state who was persecuted during the Cultural Revolution and died in prison in 1969]. The constitution could not protect him, and today not much has changed. Then they said, ‘We want to dirty your name. We want to smash your popularity. We want to tell people you’re a lair and dishonest.”
Do you think your release was due to international and domestic pressure
I think it only could have come from support for me from international art community and the political community and also in China.

from Time Magazine  April 25, 2011
from Time Magazine April 25, 2011

In November, after you were served with a $2.4 million bill for taxes and penalties, Chinese citizens started giving money to you. After that, there was talk of a possible pornography charge, and in response to that, people online as a sign of support. Have you been surprised by the reaction your case has inspired in China?

I’m very surprised, and I think the people who are doing this were also surprised. People are so encouraged by this new technology. It provides such possibility. This really changes the landscape of the political situation. In the past, only the powerful could make their voices heard. Today anybody with clear thinking or a special way of understanding will be recognized.

Does what has happened in the Arab spring have significance here, or is China under a different set of rules?

I think Chinese leadership is trying to tell the world they have another set of logic or reasoning or values which are different from yours. Of course, I don’t think they believe that. It’s just an argument that’s made when you confront the truth and facts. They really want to maintain power. At the same time, they refuse to communicate. They refuse to have good intentions. They refuse to be sincere. How can that last?

One of the criticism that are made of you by some Chinese is that you promote democratic values that are not universal but Western, and China has its own path of development.

I never emptily talk of democratic values. I always focus on individual cases. How many students died? What are their names? What are the basic facts? Did the police really beat me that night? Can a human being speak out with dignity?

So, what would you like to see in china?

We need clear rules to play the game. We need to have respect for the rules, how can people play with you? Of course you will win, but after 60 years you will still be a bad player because you never meet anyone who can challenge you. What kind of game is that? Is that interesting? I’m sure the people who put me in jail, they’re so tired. This game is not right, but who is going to say’ “Hey, let’s play fairly”?
Second, they cannot stop people from communicating freely, to get information and to express themselves. When they do that, this nation is not a right place to live. They sacrifice generations of people’s opportunities. This is crime.

Some people argue China doesn’t need democracy.

Democracy, right or wrong, has been proved. The Chinese case has not been proved yet. For me there is no logic there. It doesn’t matter if it’s successful or not. You cannot sacrifice people. I cannot ever accept the kind of conditions where you can sacrifice someone’s rights.

How do you spend your days? Are you still making art?

I’m an artist who is always looking for what is possible. I’m always looking to extent the boundaries. Art is the product of a person who uses special form or shape or light to communicate. Life experiences certainly teaches you how to become an artist. I restrict the time I spend on the internet now because I have to also talk to lawyers, communicate with the people who lent money to me. In the afternoon I go to a park with my child to get some exercise. I go to the police station twice a week to hear their opinions and criticism. I do have a work I started two or three years ago–it takes a long time to finish. I’m happy they never tried to stop me from doing art.

If you had a chance to go overseas, would you go?

I have to evaluate, Is it better to stay in a jail here or go abroad? If you go, you really have to say goodbye.

You feel you wouldn’t be allowed back?

Not only that. I’m afraid I would lose the sensitivity to this reality. There are so many things you can do in life, and of course, activism isn’t my top choice.I think I would lose touch with here, and I certainly feel I owe a lot of people. If I can make a good effort, I would continue to do that.

Ai's Portrait
Ai’s Portrait

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